An Interview with Badi Assad
By Tony Morris
If Badi Assad were not a musician, she would merely be one of the most beautiful women in the world.
However, she is much more than that. She is a unique talent in the guitar
world who combines virtuoso guitar playing with singing, humming, vocal
percussion (a la Bobby McFerrin), and hand percussion, often juggling all
these things at the same time. Her first two CDs on the Chesky Recordings
label, "Solo" and "Rhythms" display a greater musical talent beyond just
good guitar playing and singing while accompanying herself on guitar.
The music she performs doesn't fit neatly in one or even several categories.
Her solo guitar playing repertoire consists of contemporary classical guitar
music by composers such as Roland Dyens, Ralph Towner, her brother
Sergio Assad, and other 20th Century Brazilian composers. Her
vocal/guitar/percussion repertoire is comprised of popular Brazilian songs but
are arranged with the complexity of multi-instrumental orchestrations. She is
admirable in each individual aspect of her musicianship, but when she
combines all of her formidable talents in a single piece of music, she becomes
a one-woman wall of sound.
The following interview was conducted on October 25, 1996 at the KMFA
radio studios in Austin, Texas for future broadcast on the Classical Guitar Alive!
radio program. She had performed a sold-out concert the
previous day in the Texas Student Union Ballroom on the campus of the
University of Texas at Austin. This is Badi's second interview for
Classical Guitar Alive!; the first was conducted almost exactly a
year ago in Dallas during her first US concert tour. The previous interview
will be transcribed at a later date.
On a technical note, transcribing the texts of interviews is a lot like
transcribing music for guitar from that which was written for another
instrument. You have to decide what is meaningful and remain true to the
source, but you also have to edit out things (like "um"s, and making
allowances for grammar, etc.) This is especially true and especially difficult
when the interviewee is not speaking in their native language. I’ve tried to do
as little editing as possible, and have put my editing in parentheses.
I only wish I could notate Badi's wonderful Rio accent! Words like "this"
sound like "dees". Words like "realized" and "stopped" sound like "realiz-ed"
and "stop-ped". However, if I transcribed phonetically, it might appear as
if I were attempting low-brow satire, and believe me, I would never do that to
anyone that I hold in such high regard as Badi Assad. Not only is Badi Assad
a wonderful and charismatic performer, but she is also a charming and bright
person with a delightfully mischievous sense of humor.
TONY MORRIS: Thanks for doing another interview, and let me ask
you again, I know I asked you last time, but tell everybody the correct way to
pronounce your name.
BADI ASSAD: (laughs) Well, it's Badi Assad (ba-JI a-SADJ)
AM: I know I've heard quite a few different pronunciations, "Body Acid",
and all sorts of things.
AM: Well, since you just recorded your 3rd CD for Chesky Records, tell us a
little about that one.
BADI: My brother and I, my brother Sergio, we had (an) idea of (a) record
(that was) different of the other two records with Chesky. I would like to play
more guitar on this (one). So, to make (an) interesting project, we began to
think, and Sergio had (an) idea to make like an anthology of the Brazilian
So, we chose 14 guitar composers and players from the beginning of the
century up to now. And Sergio made new arrangements for each one of those
piece(s). So, like anthology, I play music from each one, from the beginning
of the century up to now. It's a beautiful project, I'm so happy.
AM: So when will that one be released?
BADI: I just left New York, and they are doing the editing. If we have the
things going well, it will be released in January (97).
AM: One of the things that you're known for is your amazing ability to
combine the virtuoso guitar playing with your singing and the humming, the
mouth percussion, all the hand percussion instruments… How did you
decide to go in this direction and combine all these things?
BADI: I never thought to make this! (laughs)
In the beginning, I was just a classical guitar player. I began to play the guitar
when (I was) 14 years old, with my father, he plays bandolim. At that time I
was playing chorinhos, or Brazilian musics. I went to (the) University,
Conservatory to study.
When I was 20 I began to work in a musical in Sao Paulo, and in that musical
I was singing. I was…How to say this? There were 200 women for 2 roles.
I would like to be playing guitar in this musical, but they didn't need a guitar
player. (laughs) So, to not lose my (audition) time, I said, "I can sing", to
And I got it, and began to work during one year like a singer, (for) the first
time in my life. After this musical, well, I almost stopped to play (the) guitar
during one year. So I felt, (to) myself, "I am not a guitar player, I am not a
singer.. So, I began to try to connect those things".
Coincidentally, in that time, same time, I saw a friend of mine doing mouth
percussion, and I never realized about this. I was so interested in that, that I
(had a) masterclass with him. And I began to improve myself, my own
sounds with the voice. I began to hear music around the world, ethnic
music... Now it is my life, doing this! (laughs)
AM: I just want to remind our listeners that your recordings contain no
overdubs and now that I’ve seen you twice, I can personally verify that you
can do all these things live, like…for example..
Well, tell us about 2 of these pieces where you combine all these things like
BADI: That's how I began. Because if you have a melody, and a
percussion..you can use this.. How do you say this in English? Boca
BADI: The noise..
AM: Yes, "closed mouth", humming.
BADI: Yes, so you have the mouth free to do any sounds that you want. So in
that piece I have the melody like [hums softly] and I can click the tongue like
this ["click", "clock", "sst"] and I can combine [she does] and I play the
guitar with this.
In the beginning, it was so hard to make this! (laughs) But nowadays is easy!
AM: if that was so hard, was that spontaneous that you were able to combine
those things? I can't even do half of those things! (laughs)
BADI: But in the beginning I was.. I got the scores, and put in over the
notes, where I was making the.. How do you say, with the tongue?
AM: The click?
BADI: The click with the tongue. I was writing everything so I would be able
to connect it.
AM: So it looks like an orchestral score?
BADI: Yes, like this, but nowadays I can separate this in my mind, and make
AM: And the other piece that is amazing is, "La Bela e Fera", tell us about
BADI: In that time, when I was trying to connect all my things, I began to
have (a) class of percussion. Real percussion. Because, my brother Sergio
told me, "You lost the punch, like a guitar player, you need to get this again.
Why do you not try to have some percussion class? With percussion you need
to have this punch; if not you don’t play!
So I began to have class with a great teacher in Sao Paulo. Once, he was
teaching me to play shakers. Each hand, when you are doing this, is doing a
different kind of rhythm... "Polyrhythm?"
AM: Yes, "polyrhythm" .."Polyhichimia?"
BADI: Yeah, "polyhichimia!" (laughs) I was so good when (doing) that! (I
said,) "Wait. Hold on. If I can do this, I can, instead of, to play with my left
hand the shaker, I can try the guitar!"
So, I began to improve on this, so I play the guitar with the left hand, and the
shaker with the right hand. In the top of that, I have the voice singing (laughs)
AM: Pretty amazing, still.
Your brothers Sergio and Odair of course are the world-famous guitar duo.
Just tell us a little bit about how they shaped your musical education.
BADI: Up to now, they are so important for me. Every time I am with them, I
have class, they are my masters (laughs). For sure, what I… of course they
teach me fingers and technique; always; because they are so great!
But what is most important for me is the way they play the guitar. They play
with the heart.
The technique is first, the technique you need to have this, because if you
have (it), you have the freedom to forget about this when you are on the
And they are like that. When they are on the stage, the heart is playing, the
soul is playing. This is most important for me, because I feel the same thing
when I am playing.
AM: Will you be recording or performing with Sergio and Odair any time in
the future? Any possibility of that? I know a lot of people would like to hear
that and see that!
BADI: (grinning from "ear-to-ear") Yes. Nowadays they live in Brussells,
Belgium, Europe, and I live in Brazil. So we are not able to perform, to have
this possibility to play together. But we have in our minds, some day, of
course, they play guitar and I play guitar.
But we are happy that we didn’t make, up to now, this trio.. How (do)I say
this?.. Because nowadays, I can bring for them, new things, so we are able,
one day, to make a different guitar trio.
BADI: Because if I began to play only guitar, and we decided when I was
younger (to form a trio) maybe I would not be doing what I am doing today
and I cound not bring different things. We would be only another guitar trio!
AM: Let's see.. Actually I think I've covered about everything I wanted to
mention. Is there anything you'd like to say?
AM: I always ask people if..
BADI: Come to see my show! (laughs)
AM: "Come see my show, buy my CD. Buy many copies of my CD!" Okay.
Well I guess that's it then, that's plenty.
Oh, can I get you to read that (promo statement), so I can use it on the
BADI: Okay. Let me read it first!
AM: My handwriting is pretty bad.
(at this point, our recording engineer, Scott Dawes, makes some technical
adjustments on the microphones)
BADI: I realize when I say "a-SADJI", nobody understands! When I say "a-
SAD".. (It) makes a lot of difference to you?
AM: Pretty much.
AM: Because we think it's a "j"..
AM: But that's Portuguese, Brazilian Portuguese…
BADI: But because this is not only (Brazilian Portuguese), it's from Rio, my
accent. My accent is from Rio. And there, (everything) is so "ch", "ch",
"ch", all the time. "Baji Assaj".
But in Sao Paulo, we say "Baji Assad"
AM: Well, here we say "Body Acid"
AM: That's the accent here, in the US.
BADI: (to the engineer, Scott) When you want?
"Classical Guitar Alive", asi? Is this?
AM: Yes, like "Viva la Guitarra", only in Ingles.
BADI: Hello, this is Badi Assad, and you are listening to Classical Guitar Alive!
AM: Bueno. Thanks.